I need a song with a difficult rhythm

i need a song that has a rhythm part that is really difficult to play... any suggestions?

anything by al di meola.

Umm, I think Tornado of Souls by Megadeth is supposed to be tricky, but I haven't given it a look myself. Any particular genres/styles you're interested in playing?

Tornado of Souls is a very easy rhythm its basically B F# G E F# G B and so on. There are a few variations but thats basically it. The solo is whats difficult at least for me.

@ Baud try Holy Wars by Megadeth.

I pretty much have that song covered. Its a lot of fast alternate picking and muting.

Other than that try Dave Brubeck

^ Ah, okay, I heard people elsewhere saying it was hard, but maybe they were just bad?

Iron maiden - face in the sand

What do you mean by hard rhythm exaclly?

I wrote something a while ago that should fit the bill, I'll throw it on the licks section if you want.
But I'm not totally sure what you mean by a hard rhythm.

i would like to steer the direction away from power chords... i just mean a rhythm guitar piece that is difficult to play.

Umm... Watchtower stuff would be good, some Necrophagist too.

Natural High and Hearts on Fire both by Hammerfall
Bonded by Blood by Exodus
Betrayer by Kreator.
Disposable Heros by Metallica
Annihilation of Civilization by Evildead

Those are... Not too hard, but if your just moving away from power chords they will get you into more difficult stuff and some other ideas.

I'm really not sure though, most songs have Rhythm riffs that are just... Not the most complex of beasts, or at least are easy to get used too. The stuff I write is much harder though, if I could somehow send/host the powertab files of my songs and some riffs that would be best.

My best advice would be random Techniqual Death Metal. Tis not my area of expertise, but the riffs are definatlly demanding.

Need a challenge? Try Ozric Tentacles - Mysticum Arabicola

also
Donald Fagen - Green Flower Street

these came to mind by early morning, ill give u couple more later if these are what you looking for. Beat in Fagen is not so hard, but playing ahead of that rhytm how fagen do that is...

Cheers

think van halen... not metal. it's all simple, it's just a matter of how fast you want to play it. something like 5150 by halen, that is deceptively difficult, at any speed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPGA3vjMLgE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wv7Z0DpJRM&feature=related

one of these maybe?

never mind. i'm sorry for asking.

Have you tried Meeting of The Spirits by John McLaughlin? It's in 12/8. I think you might like that one for rhythm. Check out both versions, either with that massive band or with Paco de Lucia and Al de Meola (sometimes Larry Coryell)

Andy McKee would also be good to check out. I think you might like that, although the tuning is really weird.

I can't name anymore at the moment, I'll go through my songs when I get back from college and list a bunch for you. I've got loads I know you'd love to look at.

Are you interested in some Flamenco rhythms? I can also list some Classical stuff which I personally find amazing.

If you're really that good and not the poser we think you are, why not try Malmsteens 'Arpeggios from hell'. When you've got them off to perfection in about an hour or two's time, post them on U tube so we can give you the critical acclaim you deserve.

"never mind. i'm sorry for asking."

ummm why??

from what i see theres been a lot of good suggestions, over a wide number of genres.

and sixties guy, agreed

ye baud can at least prove us u play?

i don't really know of any songs of the top of my head but this book,Modern Reading Text in 4/4 For All Instruments, by Louis bellson is just page after page of rhythms it will help your reading too he also has a book in odd times

other then that look at flamenco music it's main point is rhythm and then look at "calve rhythms" i can't think of a song with a hard one at the monment but the bo diddly rumble is always fun to play

Man, aren't we all getting chippy? Look, I'm looking forward to hearing Baud bringing some of his music out too, but I believe he said a while back that he was strapped for cash. At any rate, neither he nor anybody else has to prove anything to any of us. Not that I don't value your opinion, but I don't need to prove to you that I can play and neither should he.

Back on topic, I haven't found very many songs in that genre that are overwhelmingly difficult. Some Dave Matthews songs have unusual (at least in my experience) chords that require a bit more stretching…but, yeah, I got nothing. Sorry. The stuff I won’t touch is all flamenco and classical, so if you have a grasp on that, then I doubt you’re going to find anything really challenging in Van Halen style. Best bet is to try a different genre than you normally go for ie. Reggae or Delta Blues.

you would be surprised at the detail required for some of halens rhythm.

i'll probably just do some chord exercises. thanks for those that understand that i wasn't looking for monophonic lines. i can do the tap/strike/strum flamenco thing with flamenco style chords, but that's not that hard.

and another thing, it's funny... i NEVER implied i'm a great guitarist. but i'm glad i give off that vibe.

halen did have some gr8 rythms, he once said rythm is more important then lead, somthing to tht degree.

OOOO I agree!!!!

I agree actually. Because without the rhythm, you wouldn't even have lead.

It's all about the Backstreet Boys, baby. ;) haha (I kid)

They vary from easy to hard.

Achoustic Alchemy - The Last Flamenco

George Benson - Dinorah, Dinorah

Al de Meola - Cosmopolitan Life

Al Di Meola & Paco De Lucia - Pink Panther

Guthrie Govan - Waves (could also be considered lead)

I can't think from the top of my head now... I'll list some more soon, these aren't the best choices.

thanks, i'll check those out.

poundcake - van halen
poison was the cure - megadeth

just two that spring to mind

i don't quite know what your trying to say with monophonic but if you want polyrhythms try looking at some Contemporary classical they use alot of rhythms to get points across like igor stravinsky or minimalist, Steve Reich i have heard hes got some hard rhythm though most of the stuff is just phasing loops but i've seen some of his vibes/mariba works transcribed to the guitar

let me know if i'm helping or just being annoying because i don't quite know what you want because rhythm is quite complex and varying it's just that western music almost completely ignores it (everthings in four/four). for that matter start looking at sitar music it has always puzzled the shit out of me maybe you can find something in it and shut those guru bastards up about western music

Anytime. I'll be updating this every now and then. But I'll give you time to listen to them.

Paco de Lucia, John McLaughlin, Al Di Meola - Espiritu
From the album Guitar Trio.

Spastic Ink are a pretty interesting band if you'd be interested in checking out some of their stuff. Their genre varies.
"Eights is Enough" is my favourite song by them.

The entire album "Flamenco [Polygram International]" might be of some interest to you. There's vocals in it, too.

speaking of eastern music i have heard that get time by adding not dividing it like western, maybe that's an idea that will interest you

Not quite sure what you mean, RA.

about??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Additive_rhythm

that's the rhythm bit

I love you... Ron Jarzombek is the only person to rival Jason Becker in Awesomeness.


I would say, baudelaire, write stuff. If you want harder rhythms. Go for it. But generally you won't find exaclly what you want from other peoples songs.