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Daydreamer was good. I liked it, especially solo stuff.. Singing is a bit out of tune at times...even maybe sound bit dubious or insecure, but not badly, just need more experience and practise, but style was cool.

In daydreamer you got drums there, which immediately made it more better, I dont want to give opinions to other songs or demo songs, because there are quite much timing problems because there is no drums in background.

Nonetheless... keep up the good work, development was a big step from other songs to daydreamer.

edit: ps... try to study and learn recording solutions (i know there are money problems for this, but with decent computer and couple programs you make wonders...) in this site have couple threads of them so browse and search a bit.

Cheers!
Empirism

damn, just noticed that there is other thread of this... doh anyway :D

haha no problem i appreciate the critism , yeah im not completely comfortable with singing yet, but im starting lessons soon on top of my guitar lessons. Yeah i do need to find away to make my home recording audible haha

any decent free production/recording programs besides audacity anyone
can reccomend? ill go check some threads real quick

Why another thread? anyways,yeah,i will try not to judge until there is some base idea of what the songs should sound like (with all the backing instruments and propper recording and production)

I already made my comment, and I just read your response to what I had told you... You AND your band have much to learn, your guitarist is good but he isn't great like you said. You all have potential, but you shouldn't ignore the criticism that's been given and ask for more.

+1 Jazz

+ afro Jazz

learn

i didnt say we werent still learning and i dont recall saying that, i mean hes been playing for only three years me only one. also i didnt ignore your critisicm i added my slo link in here to see what people would respond to that as well as the other link to see how other people would respond, sorry i didnt just take your personal opinion of the end all of advice lady

You did actually...



Dude, none of us said that you or your band members have stopped learning, we are musicians of experience here, there's no point in getting offended man. We're talking about LEARNING the guitar, not just PLAYING tunes on the guitar; but KNOWING the tunes on the guitar.

We're giving you our advice since you did ask for it. I've been playing guitar for exactly 4 years now and my point in saying that is because you said your friend has been playing for 3 - your friend is missing out on some dedication.

My main question to you is... Do you want to take this band/music professionally? If so - take any and every advice you can get no matter what man - throw the offended mind away! THINK about why they said that, instead of making excuses (future thought here).


And I'll have to ask you to keep your insults to yourself, he was agreeing with me, as most educated musicians (or just educated members) on this forum would - so cut it out.

Haha dude if you're gonna ask For Opinions and some criticism,You've got to Accept Them,If someone tells you you need to get better,and then it turns into 2 and then 3 and it increases,its because something is wrong.

As I Said, Untill you bring some better recordings, not just rought ideas, i can't give you a complete review.

Dont Justify your lack of dedication with your and your guitarist years of experience,ive been playing for 4 years and I can Surely tell,he has been doing nothing for those 3 years,as So for 1 year Singing,Honestly i wont accept those kind of insults from Someone with such a narrow mind and lack musical Ear,experience or taste

while i agree with you jazz & Alex. you guys haven gotten a little ahead of your self's. no need for high horse talk here(I'm one to talk huh;]) lets just take a step back. you gave your opinion he ignored it move on. arguing will get no where on this and is a waste of time save the argument/passion for something productive on debates on theory or music history something worth while. no i did such and such and that is why I'm better then you. just let him do what he want with you advice.

however the double topic was very disrespectful but it was already brought up. overall save the thought for something else it ain't worth it here

even Joe Pass could still learn a hell of a lot more

For me,Its not About that Man,is about the bashing that he gave on to me about my critics (its not on his post anymore...) But anyways yeah,think you're right,no need for arguing in here

its not on my post anymore? i havent deleted anything alex or for that matter know how to, so dont make anything up all bashing ive done is in plainsight and for everyone to read man haha. im not trying to brew up trouble i dont know why you guys think its so crazy i posted myself in two boards to get more people to listen to my music haha its just strategy i mean not everyone will check every message board just plain and simple, trying to get all the critiscm i can. as far as my opinion on my guitar player an opinion is an opinion and you cant say your right and my guitar player isnt great cause youve been playing an extra year hahahaha. i mean i understand your critism and i agree with it except for alex in regards to getting rid of me as a singer instead if telling me to practice

my guitar player does needa work on structure and a few other thingsas but i think he has a great perception of the relationship between tension and easing tension in guitar and the whole aspect of anticipation, i mean listen to the guitar in the tempest demo. i know excuses just point out flaws jazz, but we dpnt have a drummer so were off time, its very hard for amateur musicians to keep beat without a drummer, but were working on that

sorry if im coming off as an ass-hole here but like
you guys(jazz alec) are coming off as very pompous and over conceited
especially with most members and musicians would agree with you ha like reallly you can speak for the entire musical community that sounds a little strange huh?

I deleted it. And it's not appropriate man - you asked for criticism, just because you got advice you didn't like does not mean you can mock anyone on this forum. Enough is enough man.

Seeing as I've been here for quite a long time now, I can say that most people would definitely agree with me. You're pretty ignorant for a 17 year old...

You clearly don't understand what I was trying to say... You laugh because I've been playing 1 year more than your friend yet I'm MUCH better - I would proudly kick yours and his ass and show you how to REALLY play (As would Alex for that matter). I needn't show my skills to such a child as yourself as that would just be a waste of my time to learn. Do you want to know why I'm better? Perhaps one day you'll grow up and find out...

@Mike, I will apologize in advance for reading this topic and posting with no feedback on your music. I would have done, only someone’s taken off with my computer speakers (again).

All I'd like to say is I think everyone should just drop it. You're all just going to build negative tension between each other on the forums. This isn’t something worth falling out over. Okay, so I agree it seemed disrespectful and a bit of an annoyance for Mike to have posted more than once. But, if he did it more than this one time I’d see why any of you would feel the need to keep bringing your points against that up. But not in this situation. He did it once. You all understandably told him that was inappropriate. Whether it was a tactic to get more feedback or not. And supposedly he’s learnt that now. And he’s already been told to accept negative feedback, which was a very good point as you should never avoid that once you’ve asked for it.

But now you’ve all expressed those points, and I frankly can’t see the point in any of you contributing to this conversation any further. Once you’re points have been made, let it go. Otherwise all the situation turns into is an argument with nothing more useful or anything that should be said to be said. RA had a good point that isn't worth ignoring, leave it. I’m not going to take part in this topic any further as I don’t feel it would go anywhere. And for the record, since this is text talk I'd just like to point out I wasn't snapping at or arguing with any of you when I wrote this.

@mike

hey man, we're all young here(except Carl :D) so offering some criticism in a way that doesn't seem a little pompous is difficult. Honestly if your guitarist isn't that good yet, he isn't, excuses don't work for trying to say that your guitarist is great when he really isn't. You gotta take it all in, I hate criticism myself, I don't take it too well, but I take it and I use it. You need to look at everyone's point of view here.
I've been playing for a little over 6 years now. I have never had a lesson for any music or instrument in my life. Even though I may have been playing longer than Alex and Jazz, it doesn't mean that I am better. They could definitely blow me away. Jazz knows so much more about music than I do, so if I have a question I know she can usually give a good answer. Alex is a beast on the guitar, he overall plays much better than me. And one of my favorite users on the site is, our guy, Carlsnow. He gives criticism in a very true sense. He doesn't really "beat around the bush" when it comes to telling someone something.
And all 3 of the people that I mentioned above have all given me criticism before in one way or another. And in the last 7 months(since I started using this site) I have been blown away by how much I have learned and how much my playing has improved.

Case in point: Criticism isn't always pretty, but it can always help.(depending on who is saying it)

so mike, you shouldn't try to defend your guitarist even if he is your friend, if he needs to improve in certain areas, tell him. Take the advice and criticism given here and use them to your advantage.

Now I bet you feel like I just totally called you out on this, but I feel that you need to see a neutral point of view in this matter. I haven't listened to the music, so I can't actually give my criticism's on singing and playing, but I can try to take what everyone else has said and let you know what you should see this as.

I'm terribly sorry for stepping on anyone's toes during this post, but, again (I may be very wrong) I feel it is for the best.

Case

Yeah i just gonna say,leave it like that Jazz..is not worth arguing,better of to listen to some Shpoooooongleee

i iz sorray
you can play circles around me im sure, i shouldnt have ostracized anyone for feedback, jazz and alex my bad, you two and empirism are the only ones in this whole post who actually listened to give me feedback

much appreciated, i have a question i have the choice of vocal lessons or learning the keyboard, im thinking i could figure out breathing techniques and figure out my range just from experimenting with notes and that key boarding would give me a better compositional tool that'd be more usefull to my overall songwriting/performance than vocal lessons, what do you guys think